A United Ireland, A bad Idea

Discussion in 'UK and World News' started by classic33, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    An Irish unity poll in Northern Ireland would be divisive and "a bad idea", Irish PM Leo Varadkar has said.

    On Thursday, former NI first minister Peter Robinson said any future border poll on Northern Ireland's future in the UK could not be conducted on the basis of a simple majority.

    He said the idea of a "majority of one" would lead to chaos.

    Mr Varadkar said "a simple majority is enough", but questioned whether that would be a "good thing".

    The taoiseach made his comment ahead of becoming the first Irish prime minister to visit the headquarters of the Orange Order in Belfast.

    "I think a border poll would be defeated and very divisive," said Mr Varadkar.

    "We should be respecting the primacy of the Good Friday Agreement and, at the heart of the Good Friday Agreement, is power-sharing within Northern Ireland, ever-increasing cooperation within the north and south and peace in Britain and Ireland."

    Mr Varadkar said that even though the Good Friday Agreement provides for a border poll to be carried by a majority of one, the time or the conditions were not right.

    "I think the focus should be on getting the institutions up and running again, rather than focusing on a border poll."

    Efforts to restore power sharing in Northern Ireland have so far failed, after the Executive collapsed 17 months ago.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44406029

    With over a quarter of the population of Northern Ireland likely to vote for a united Ireland, the ongoing fight amongst those elected, for power and any real chance of a United Ireland resting on who has the say in what people are allowed to do. It's not looking very hopeful at this stage.

    On the other hand, Ian Paisley Junior, was. and is, an advocate of an Irish passport after the people of the UK decided to leave the EU.
     
  2. Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    Do people in the south want a united Ireland? I don't think so. I doubt very much that it will happen.
     
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    classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    The church is the biggest landowner in Scotland.

    The lairds owned the land, not those below them.
     
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    classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    To date, the majority say "No". But the history is being forgotten, on all sides. If they accept The Six(a United Ireland), they double the countries population at a stroke. But many of those in The Six have said they will remove themselves to the UK mainland rather than stay on the Island of Ireland. For at least 20%, the last time the question was asked, their desination would be Scotland, on religous grounds. Could an Independent Scotland support nearly One & quarter million refugees, almost over overnight. Chances are they'd not be able.

    A countrys name isn't defined by the people who live there. If that were the case why isn't Austrailia called Ireland. Irish people live there. The live in Scotland, England, Yorkshire, & Wales. Not to mention America, who gave the Irish Free State their second President.
     
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    classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    There's been no king of Scotland for the last 500 years though.
     
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    James VI and I was King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death in 1625. The kingdoms of Scotland and England were individual sovereign states, with their own parliaments, judiciaries, and laws, though both were ruled by James in personal union.

    Charles II (29 May 1630 – 6 February 1685)[c] was king of England, Scotland and Ireland.
     
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