Can you get away with murder?

Discussion in 'Law, Order and Defence' started by Welsh dragon, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    Wow. Those are some conspiracy theories there Highlander. Good lord. What makes you think John Smith was murdered.
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  3. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    Not murder, but I've seen a police informer have the case against her dismissed at court.
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    I wonder if this sort of thing happens a lot. I can't imagine how the family and friends of victims feel when they see that sort of thing happen. Not much justice it seems.
  5. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    It didn't go down too well with one family member. She got five years(served) for assault.
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  6. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    I got this
    just to add to it.
  7. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    If Dunblane truth is is public knowledge why would Holyrood let Westminster cover it up?

    Gaitskil (sic) had an auto-immune disease, Lupus.

    Smith & Cook were sitters for a heart attack. Dewar's ill health was well known too.

    Blair emerged as favourite to succeed, but only after Smith's death. He wasn't a shoo-in.
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  8. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    If it's public knowledge, how do you cover it up?
  9. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    The grey cells screaming 'truth' are enough to debunk your earlier post.
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  10. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    Avoiding the rest of the stuff for now lets start with a basic assertion - can you tell us which seat MacRae was elected MP for?
  11. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    Well it's either public knowledge or it's classified, can't be both. Normal period for classified material is 100 years.

    You still come with the petty insults when you can't give an answer.
  12. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    "On 5 April 1985 MacRae left his Glasgow flat at 18:30 to spend the weekend at his cottage near Dornie, Ross-shire. He was not seen again until the next morning around 10:00, when two Australian tourists(4) saw his maroon Volvo saloon car on a moor a short distance from the junction of the A887 and A87 roads Bun Loyne, Glenmoriston, Inverness-shire. The car was straddling a burn about 90 feet (27 m) from the road. The tourists flagged down the next car to pass, whose driver turned out to be a doctor, Dorothy Messer, accompanied by her fiancé as well as David Coutts, an SNP Dundee councillor who knew MacRae.

    It was discovered that MacRae was in the car. His hands were "folded on his lap", his head was "slumped on his right shoulder", and there was a "considerable amount of blood on his temple". He was not wearing a seat belt.

    Another car was sent to call the emergency services. Dr Messer examined MacRae and found that he was still alive and breathing. She noted that one of his pupils was dilated, indicating the possibility of brain damage, and estimated that he had been in that state for 10 hours.

    MacRae was removed by ambulance to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, accompanied by Dr Messer. After admission it was decided to transfer him to Aberdeen Royal Infirmary. At Aberdeen it was realised that the incident was more than a road accident; six hours after he had been found, a nurse washing his head discovered what appeared to be the entry wound of a gunshot(2)(3). An X-ray confirmed that McRae had been shot above his right ear(3) and a bullet was detected in his head. His brain was severely damaged and his vital functions very weak. The next day, Sunday 7 April, after consultation with his next of kin, MacRae's life-support machine was switched off."

    (1)Repeating the question already asked, where was his parlimentry seat?

    Question: Where did the second bullet fired go?

    In April 2000, Dewar was admitted to hospital for tests on his heart, following a previous test where a minor irregularity was discovered. In May 2000, he had surgery to repair a leaking heart valve(6), and was forced to take a three-month break from Parliament, with Deputy First Minister Jim Wallace taking over as Acting First Minister. He returned to work on 14 August 2000.

    Dewar dealt with the 2000 Exam Results Fiasco and the Lorry Drivers' Strike, and attended the Labour Party conference in Brighton in September, but at the end of September, he told the historian Tom Devine in Dublin that if there was no surge of the energy of old, he would have to reappraise the situation within a few months.

    On 10 October 2000, around lunchtime, Dewar sustained a fall. He seemed fine at first, but later that day suffered a massive brain haemorrhage which was possibly triggered by the anticoagulant medication he was taking following heart surgery(6). He died the following day, in Edinburgh's Western General Hospital, never having regained consciousness.
  13. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    MacRae by all accounts was a disorganised alcoholic dismissed from his own law practice because he was a liability. For all the stories of a man on a grassy knoll with a deer rifle the bullet that killed him came from his own Smith and Wesson. There was a cock up in the investigation in that because the bullet wound was not located until much later his car was removed from burn just like any other accident wreck.

    There's no evidence to contradict the open verdict on his death. If PF's or Scottish Law officers re-opened thirty year old cases every time a conspiracy theory came along they'd never get their day job done. Look at the time and manpower involved in historic sex crime - and at least there are multiple corroborating accounts there.
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  14. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    First of all you know bugger all about my politics. For the record though I'm Croslandite Old Labour and with a deal of sympathy for Scottish Nationalism.

    Look at the keys found of his locked car, more than 100 meters from the car!

    That sentence makes no sense. All the accounts are consistent that he was found by an Australian couple, one of whom was a doctor. She was able to get into, or reach into the car and take his vital signs etc.

    The investigation was compromised because it was treated as an RTA and the vehicle removed from the crash site before the bullet wound was found. That probably accounts for discrepancies around weapon's distance form car.

    The Express link tells us nothing but that he might have been under surveillance. Given the paranoia at the time about anything to do with nuclear and rumours that Dounreay might have a role in producing weapons grade material surveillance is a distinct possibility. But it's a hell of a leap from there to state sponsored murder.
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2018
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  15. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    You are humanity?

    There's the odd fact or two incorrect in your post quoted above, I'll let you decide which.

    As for burying my own dead, I've done that.
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