Class War.

Discussion in 'Society, Culture and Politics' started by kirkdale, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. kirkdale

    kirkdale Regular Member

    I put to you that The Class War, far from being an outdated relic of a long gone political past, is alive and still raging.

    The political classes appear to agree that class based politics are dead and buried? Yet the divisions in our society run as deep as ever. Working Class people in this country have been divided, with a huge underclass at the bottom of the heap. The death of traditional industries, destroying many communities, has left gaping holes that can never be filled by zero hours contracts or minimum wage retail jobs. Huge sectors of our society have been left to decay in isolation for a couple of decades. Gentrified areas now abound in once decent working class areas. The original inhabitants, forced by the apartheid of poverty, herded into underfunded ghettos. They are further tormented and plunged into deeper poverty under the guise of austerity. To top it all, the chaos created becomes entertainment on prime time TV. Many on a channel owned by a pornographer who's proud body of work included the charming Barely Legal.

    Throw in evidence of large scale institutional abuse now starting to come to light. Bankers and the financial sector engaging in barely concealed criminality, not only escaping prosecution, but being bailed out to continue. An, at best, immoral political class. The chasm being created will on day soon be the downfall of the elites in this society, people will not tolerate it and rebellion is inevitable. Those stinging from the recent referendum have seen nothing yet. Continue to choose ignoring the cruelty and despising its victims, and it won't be through the ballot box that people will protest.
     
  2. Spinney

    Spinney Regular Member

    No debate as far as I'm concerned. I agree.
     
  3. IIP

    IIP Guest

    as someone who believes in rebellion and uprisings, I just can't see it, the poor and lower working classes are entrenched in a cycle of poverty and debt, they are forced to rely on handouts be it help with rent, universal credits etc etc due to minimum wage, this holds backpeople from bucking the system for fear of losing the handouts.
     
  4. OP
    OP
    kirkdale

    kirkdale Regular Member

    People now, more than ever, have the tools at their disposal to share information. A combination of government propaganda and celebrity lifestyle drivel from traditional media sources, no longer have the monopoly.
    When not enough crumbs from the top table reach the hungry, the tools now exist to unite and mobilise. Just my opinion, but looking historically, are we really that far from "let them eat cake?"
     
  5. Sonic Budgie

    Sonic Budgie Active Member

    I agree about the chasm between the haves and the have nots, but I can't see it changing in my lifetime, certainly not by revolution. The popularity of the royal family seems well cemented again thanks to the introduction of Kate and the breeding program, those that could be doing the most to help those in need are actually admired by some of those they should be helping because they avoid doing so, all the while those at the bottom are demonized in the media as being feckless and workshy, and the public lap it up.
     
  6. IIP

    IIP Guest

    the biggest problem in any revolution and has been forever is convincing the majority of the middle classes that they are as much affected by the same decisions made to keep the lower classes in their pits of despair but they are the sheep of society and believe that everything that governments do is for the best of society, not realising that they are as much affected and kept in their place, so those that pocket the riches can keep filling their pockets, continuing to overflow with so much wealth that the gap keeps getting wider, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
     
  7. Baron Vlad Harkonenn

    Baron Vlad Harkonenn Regular Member

    Could it be that there is something also wrong with the system, the welfare state?

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  8. IIP

    IIP Guest

    the biggest problem isn't the benefits system- the welfare state, which is a drop in the wealth of any nation, the biggest drain on the benefits system is the pension, it accounts for something like 60% of all monies spent, even benefit fraud accounts for around 3-4 billion a year which is nothing compared to the 100's of billions lost through the taxation system readily exploited by the wealthy be it individuals or companies.
     
  9. Aitch

    Aitch Member

    Location:
    Holland
    I think you're spot on, Baron. The system works perfectly. It's just the wrong one.

    In that first cartoon, why are the poor people kept in the dark and the rich people so intent on keeping them there? And in that second one, what are those rungs made out of and what is the current pro-free-market government doing to get more of them to the poor?
     
  10. Baron Vlad Harkonenn

    Baron Vlad Harkonenn Regular Member

    In theory, everyone paid into the system during their working lives to facilitate their pensions. The reality is that successive governements have used that money to give people free stuff as in cartoon one.

    Cartoon 2 is of course how it should be. In reality global elitist mega corporations ration the wood the rungs are made out of.

    And it would only be fair if someone could dig up a cartoon showing that.
     
  11. Aitch

    Aitch Member

    Location:
    Holland
    That's the free market for you.
     
  12. IIP

    IIP Guest

    you are wrong, we contribute to a system so all of us can benefit from it.
     
  13. Baron Vlad Harkonenn

    Baron Vlad Harkonenn Regular Member

    Indeed, there is no real answer.

    People who are greedy or lazy are given far too much creedence.
     
  14. Aitch

    Aitch Member

    Location:
    Holland
    It's also wrong because pension contributions have always been used to fund the previous generation's pensions. Your own contributions do not pay for your pension.
     
  15. Aitch

    Aitch Member

    Location:
    Holland
    I beg to differ again. Cartoon 2 is not the way it should be. The way it should be is that we all live in the land of Cockaigne eating roast beef the size of toilet seats.
     
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