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Damian Green Resigns

Discussion in 'UK and World News' started by Bromptonaut, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

  2. Pale Rider

    Pale Rider Active Member Staff Member

    Don't know much about the bloke, but what on earth is someone in high public office doing stashing porn, even legal porn, on his work computer?

    Demonstrates to me he doesn't grasp the responsibilities and is not up to the job.

    I don't swear in print anyway, but I wouldn't type even a mildly rude word into my work computer, let alone go anywhere near porn on it, even if I like looking at porn which I don't.

  3. OP

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    While still a serving Civil Servant I was on periphery of a couple of porn on computer cases (investigating managers were colleagues). General consensus was that any punishment was as much for being stupid enough to use a work PC as for the offence itself.

    More recently my current advice charity employer dismissed somebody on spot when he was observed engaging in 'live chat' on his workstation. It did though explain his preference for the corner of office most avoided for draughts and troublesome lighting.
  4. Pale Rider

    Pale Rider Active Member Staff Member

    Slightly different, but someone in County Hall in Durham was found with child porn on his computer.

    The council binned him, but the strange thing was they went in on a Sunday and rearranged the desks in the open plan to make it look like he'd never been there at all.

    Rubbed out of history, but then County Hall is nicknamed The Kremlin for the way they go on.

    Copper who interviewed him told me he said he wasn't bothered about the sack because he had 25+ years in and had already researched it and found out they couldn't touch his pension.

    Do the short stretch and move to Thailand was his plan, having also worked out he could insist on his pension being paid to him abroad.
  5. pubrunner

    pubrunner Regular Member Staff Member

    Some papers are saying Green was sacked by May (read as, told to resign) following the findings that he breached the ministerial code and has not been exactly upfront with his statements/ press releases.

    I think Green will be ushered to one side for a bit, be told to keep his mouth shut, continue as an MP and, after a while, it will be business as usual - I suspect politics will get worse in this country before it gets better.

    "I apologise that my statements were misleading.."

    The lying toad should be removed as an MP - who could possibly vote for someone like that ?

    High standards are one thing, but there'll be no one left in the Conservative party at this rate.
  6. pubrunner

    pubrunner Regular Member Staff Member

    There are a couple of aspects about the Damien green issue, which need to be clarified; I've just read an article which states :

    "In his resignation letter, Green still insisted that he had not downloaded or viewed porn on his office computer, but admitted he had been made aware of its existence in 2008 and 2013 and had therefore made ‘misleading’ statements on the issue."

    First, it is unclear if the PC is a 'standalone' device, or one which is part of a network ? Either way, I'm surprised that 'legacy' material from 2008 is still there 9 years later.

    I'm amazed that any user on a PC in the HoP would even be able to access unsuitable and inappropriate sites - might the material have been brought in on a USB device and put on the PC ? Surely, the IT Manager/Director would easily be able to prove if material has been downloaded and by whom ?

    No mention is made of who might have had access to Green's PC - surely, the device must have been set-up with specific username(s) and password(s) for each individual user ?
  7. Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Did he fall or was he pushed?
  8. OP

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    I think the 'legacy' material point is a misread of the facts. Stuff was found in 2008 and issue was discussed between Met and Greens' lawyers. For whatever reason there was further discussion of the same material in 2013.

    IME IT managers can block sites known to be risky and will issue warnings about usage being monitored so as to deter users from 'taking a chance'. In practice logs are not routinely examined due to sheer volume. If asked to investigate a specific user they can do so and if there's evidence they'll find it.

    In case of Green as at 2008 'legal' porn was found when PC was examined as part of leak inquiry. No offence for Police to investigate and probable impropriety if they bought it to attention of Commons authorities.
  9. OP

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    Pushed. PM demanded his resignation after Cabinet Office report found he'd lied to, or at least mislead, inquiry.
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  10. pubrunner

    pubrunner Regular Member Staff Member

    He should have fallen on his sword - ages ago !.

    The political system is largely (but not exclusively) just a club imo. Not many people would get away with the way certain members of that club behave with little or no penalty, or many questions being asked.

    The odd thing is that, although he lied to parliament, they all must have known, or at least believed, that it was a lie so in a sense, he misled no one (apart from some posters on here :whistle:). So it is not even an attempt to deceive parliament; just the electorate and, let's face it, that's part of his job.

    All this, despite being close chums with May. So it's not who you know it seems, but whether you know when to keep your mouth shut.

    Anyone remember Green lecturing police about 'honesty and integrity' a few years back in this speech ?

    Take a look at this link and scroll to the article on 'Honesty & Integrity' :


    Be careful, that when using this ^^^ link, that you don't accidentally find that you've unexpectedly downloaded porn onto your PC ^_^.
  11. pubrunner

    pubrunner Regular Member Staff Member

    I'm sure that what you say is correct; the PC is reported as a PC provided by the House of Commons, was hooked up to the House of Commons network, and would have already been appropriately secured. This is not a PC that Green or an assistant bought from PC World and hooked directly up to the internet. He would have had to sign agreement, that he would secure and use his account appropriately before the account was issued to him.

    Again, this is almost certainly the case, though as I understand it, many IT Managers block users from making searches on key words that might relate to porn. Either way, the IT Manager should have had a system in place, to prevent this kind of thing from happening. It doesn't say much for the state of IT security in parliament, if MPs have been able to download such material unchallenged.
  12. Pale Rider

    Pale Rider Active Member Staff Member

    Express Newspapers installed a porn filter in the early days of widespread internet access.

    Settings had to be changed after hacks on the Express-owned Daily Star found the filter blocked their own website.
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  13. mr_cellophane

    mr_cellophane Regular Member

    When I worked for Hackney Council some man was found to be downloading gay porn at work, but because it was gay porn (and Hackney) it was ignored. I also worked for an insurance company and we found a full porn video on someone's PC. He managed to save it in his profile so it traveled the network every time he logged in or out. They wouldn't get rid of him because he was a senior manager/director and retiring soon.
  14. OP

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    And therein lies the difficulty. Set the filter to pick up offensive words and it stops reference to Scunthorpe or Penistone. Filter forums and 'in memoriam' messages get blocked 'cos of one simple word.
  15. OP

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

    Sure you can block obvious words, but what about conjoining two innocent words to make phrases like hairy pussy or full bush? then what?.

    Who do you report it to if MP for X is searching dodgy phrases? And all that assumes they've downloaded from www. What if they've got it on a stick or disc?