H.M.Prison - What needs or can be done as there will always be a need for prisons?

Discussion in 'Law, Order and Defence' started by Jezza, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. Jezza

    Jezza Regular Member

    The additonal sentence of "With Hard Labour" seemed to deter recidivism.
    Perhaps a return to that?
     
  2. IIP

    IIP Guest

    it didn't,

    one of the biggest problems at the moment is people convicted of 12 months or less getting sent to prison, its a pointless exercise, they'll do 6 months or be HDC'ed - Tagged after 12 weeks, whats the point just tag them from the beginning, freeing up space in an overcrowded system, which in turn will ease the pressure on the overstretched staff.
    there is nothing the prison service can do with those convicted of 12 months or less.
    there are too many people in prison and not enough staff to man these prisons,
     
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    Jezza

    Jezza Regular Member

    Half remission is a joke.
    Someone getting 12-months who has spent a couple of months on remand will be free 16-weeks after sentencing.
     
  4. IIP

    IIP Guest

    we also need more modern prisons, some of the older prisons are not fit for purpose,
    we need to move away from the thinking that prisons are there to punish people, they are not, the loss of liberty is the punishment, prisons are only there to facilitate this loss of liberty, too many people don't understand this.
     
  5. Big Andy

    Big Andy Well-Known Member Staff Member

    We definitely need more up to date prisons and we probably need to accept that we need more prisons in general, the population is growing so it is only logical to assume that the proportion of criminals is also growing.

    We perhaps also need to accept that there are a proportion of those in prison that cannot be rehabilitated and are just "bad".

    I have some sympathy with the suggestion that we should do away with prison sentences for 12 months or less and more community based sentencing should be adopted, with the caveat that a further criminal offence will lead to a prison sentence of a minimum of 12 months.

    The nonsense of sentencing should also change, rather than a sentence being handed down and only half being served, judges should hand down minimum sentences (shortest available being 12 months), and that should be the minimum time served with good behaviour, there should no longer be time off for good behaviour but time on for bad behaviour.

    I agree that for some offences the loss of liberty is the punishment, however for the most serious offences, rape, murder, child abuse etc that loss of liberty isn't enough and further punishment is required, for at least part of the sentence.
     
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  6. Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    We need to change who we imprison as well. Too many prisons are full of mentally ill people. People who should not be there at all.
     
  7. IIP

    IIP Guest

    such as and who would you expect to carry out this punishment, the crimes you mention are more punishable than other crimes hence the longer loss of liberty, a society can be judged by how it treats it criminals, I for one don't want prisons to be like certain other countries were part of the punishment is torture.
     
  8. IIP

    IIP Guest

    the "hospitals" are gone, well mostly, so prison is the only place and they are no help to the mentally ill, but most people have a perception of what they deem to be a mentally ill person but the majority of prisoners with mental health needs are not what most people perceive as mentally ill and the prisoners would be deemed by the general public as wasters who need to MTFU.
     
  9. Big Andy

    Big Andy Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Absolutely agree, definitely wouldn't suggest torture, however I would suggest a much harsher regime and prisoners only have access to the basics required to live.
     
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  10. IIP

    IIP Guest

    what is it you think makes the regimes now so easy.
     
  11. Big Andy

    Big Andy Well-Known Member Staff Member

    A friend of mine who has just retired from the prison service.
     
  12. IIP

    IIP Guest

    I know people who still work in the prison service and I know many that have spent time in prison and although things such as TV's and in cell phones make people think it makes prison easier and to a degree they do and they do help with the mental tedium but they also remind them everyday what they are missing but the big advantage of both these things is that they really helps those with mental health issues,
     
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    Jezza

    Jezza Regular Member

    We did have 'special hospitals' for the ( then termed) 'criminally insane'. Those are all hospital trusts nowadays.
    Interesting aside being that most police control rooms now feature mental health professionals on-staff.
     
  14. IIP

    IIP Guest

    the more hospitals that we need are for the mentally ill who commit crimes and where prisons can not cater for their needs, but they cost to much money and nobody really cares enough.
     
  15. Highlander

    Highlander Regular Member

    Mmm...... from 1980 and Thatcherism, where she stated, there is no such thing as society, the prison population doubled year on year, until they changed the manner statistics were collated. Thatcher destroyed her own nation for and on behalf of vested interests. And just the other day, the CIA director readily admitted Americans interfered with every European election, to ensure American needs were satisfied. Thatcher was only their tool! The rivers of blood speech, was a call to arms, to rid England of American influence. Look at Charles de Gaull, the CIA had twenty eight attempts on his life.....each and everyone proven by the French secret service....to look after American interests.....they have Macron, who like thatcher, is in the process of selling there nation down the American swany
     
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