The abortion vote in Ireland.

Discussion in 'Society, Culture and Politics' started by Welsh dragon, May 25, 2018.

  1. Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    Today is the day that the Irish people go to the polls to vote for or against repealing of the abortion law in Ireland.

    It looks like the result is going to be very close indeed. Irish citizens living in other countries have also made the journey back to Ireland to vote on this very important subject.

    I for one hope that the vote is in favour of abortion becoming lawful in Ireland. For too long wome have had to travel to England because abortions are illegal in their own country. Women should always have the right to decide what to do in these cases IMHO.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/25/close-result-expected-in-irelands-abortion-referendum
     
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    Nothing to do with feminists. There was a heartbreaking story of a woman who went to england because of the horrific brain damage caused by a genetic abnormality to her child. Should a woman be forced to have a baby under those circumstances. Maybe if those men who hate abortions so much were the ones who had to bear them, then their attitude would be different.
     
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    I feel sorry for you. I really am not sure if these are your beliefs or if you are spouting this stuff just to get a reaction.
     
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  4. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    I think the yes vote will win this time. The population as a whole is younger than when the last vote took place.

    It may just avoid back street "surgeries" where such practices are carried out.
     
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    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member


    I agree with what you have said. I also think the scandals that have hit Ireland over the last few years regarding paedophile priests, and the allegations surrounding certain orders of nuns who ran homes for single mothers won't help the cause of the anti abortionists.
     
  6. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    Last time the yes campaign were fighting themselves. They ran an advert showing just how easy it could be to get an abortion. This time, they may not do the same.

    There is also the case of where one woman died after becoming pregnant, not her fault & a few weeks in hospital after her attack. She wasn't allowed the abortion she knew could kill her and she was prevented from travelling abroad for one.
     
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    It looks like the vote won't be as close as some first thought. The yes vote will be a clear winner from the indications so far. Women have travelled from all over to vote.
     
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    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    It wasn't that i wasn't interested in what you had to say about peadohphiles, it was the way you had of saying it. Talking about random subjects that had nothing to do with the actual subject. Note that what i said above was short, succinct and to the point. I didn't ramble on and talk about 5 other subjects all at the same time which ended with your posts not making any sense at all.

    And as for humanity, where is your humanity towards women whose very lives might be lost if they continue with a pregnancy.
     
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    There you go, off on another tangent talking about subjects from the past instesd of answering my question. Do you think a pregnancy should continue even if the mothers life is at stake?

    As for endng a pregnancy, no woman makes the decission to abort her baby lightly. It is probably the most difficult decission anyone will ever make.
     
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    Wow. It must be wonderful to be able to be so right all the time. In which case, there is no need for any more discussion such as it was. You seem to be a very angry man. Angry at everyone and everything. Can't argue with that kind of thing.
     
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  12. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    That bit leaves you out.

    If abortion was legal, as you've claimed, explain the need to go to the country and see what they think. Fact is it's illegal, plain and simple. If it wasn't they'd not have to put it to the vote.

    Then explain why two should be killed by one person when only one person did anything wrong.
     
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    Welsh dragon

    Welsh dragon Senior Member Staff Member

    I do wish you wouldn't keep spouting this cult nonsense, what on earth do you mean by that? And what democratically elected labour leader. And your usual Zionist nonsense? Again.
     
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  14. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    If laws were passed, why did it have to be put to the people of the country to decide on whether it should be legal.
     
  15. classic33

    classic33 Senior Member

    Worth a read, to prove a point if nothing else.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellet_v_Ireland
    Just how "easy" it was

    The Act specifies the number and specialty of medical practitioners who must concur that a termination is necessary to prevent a risk of death. These criteria differ in three scenarios:

    Risk of loss of life from physical illness
    Two physicians, one an obstetrician and the other a specialist in the field of the relevant condition, must concur. For example, if the woman has cancer, the two physicians would be an obstetrician and an oncologist. Where relevant, the specialists must also consult the woman's general practitioner (GP). The termination would be an elective procedure performed at an appropriate institution.​
    Risk of loss of life from physical illness in emergency
    In a medical emergency, a single physician must both provide the diagnosis and perform the termination.​
    Risk of loss of life from suicide
    Three physicians must concur; an obstetrician, a psychiatrist with experience treating women during or after pregnancy, and another psychiatrist. At least one of them should consult the woman's GP with her consent. The termination would be an elective procedure performed at an appropriate institution.
    The physicians' diagnosis must be "an opinion formed in good faith which has regard to the need to preserve unborn human life as far as practicable". Normal informed consent is required. Medical personnel with conscience objections to abortion will not be required to participate in terminations, but must transfer care of a patient in such cases. All terminations must be notified to the Minister for Health within 28 days. The Minister will make an annual report of such notifications.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Life_During_Pregnancy_Act_2013
     
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